Phenom X3 8750 Review
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Written by Jeff_Tom   
Tuesday, 22 April 2008 01:03
Article Index
Phenom X3 8750 Review
Overclocking
System Specs, Game Benchmarks
Cinebench, Pov Ray, Valve Tests, PCMark, Power Consumption
Conclusion
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Since AMD introduced the Athlon X2 with dual cores hype in the media has been about supposed core wars that Intel and AMD might switch to away from the MHz race that was previously popular. However, if there is a core war it certainly is slow going because so far there have only been dual and quad core processors released from Intel and AMD in the years since the Athlon X2 introduction. Not much of a core war race though that might change in the future in the near term four cores are as far as Intel or AMD will be going. That said, there have been rumors for some time regarding a triple core Phenom processor and those were told to be true from AMD going back some time. Today AMD has officially released in the channel, B3 revision Phenoms of triple core processors to try and find a consumer market somewhere between quad and dual core processors. The CPU we'll be looking at specifically is AMD Phenom X3 8750.

 

There isn't a lot of new information go over with AMD's Phenom X3 processors. First all the processors are denoted with an 8x50 series as opposed to the 9x50 of the Phenom quad core counterparts so it should be fairly easy to tell if a CPU is quad or triple core. Also all triple cores released to the channel are the B3 revision with the TLB fix and no performance penalty, although some OEMs have been selling 8x00 series triple core Phenoms without the fix. Due to one less core power consumption is also lower with the Phenom 8x50 processors rated for a 95W max TDP.

The architecture on the triple core Phenom remains unchanged the only difference is one core is disabled for whatever reason, whether a bad core or because one core might be lagging behind in clockspeed compared to the others it allows AMD to use as many dies as possible and provide a processor that fits in between quad and triple cores for a very reasonable price. The 8750 which runs at 2.4GHz will be launching at $195, $165 for the 8650 at 2.3GHz and $145 for the 8450 at 2.1GHz. Three cores for under $150 isn't bad at all. This also allows for AMD to fill out it's Cartwheel platform, with a 780G motherboard for around $100 you get good integrated video, UVD chip for HD decoding, add in a triple for for $145 and for $245, a cost of Intel's cheapest quad core, you can get a very good setup. This seems especially formidable for an HTPC or a computer for those who want multi-tasking power but may not need the fastest processor for gaming or are looking at a second PC.

Here are the technical specs from AMD.

AMD Phenom X3 8000-series processor TECH SPECS:

Processor Model / Frequency: X3 8750 / 2.4GHz

Processor Model / Frequency: X3 8650 / 2.3GHz

Processor Model / Frequency: X3 8450 / 2.1GHz

L1 Cache Sizes: 64K of L1 instruction and 64K of L1 data cache per core (512KB total L1 per processor)

L2 Cache Sizes: 512KB of L2 data cache per core (1.5MB total L2 per processor)

L3 Cache Size: 2MB (shared)

Memory Controller Type: Integrated 128-bit wide memory controller *

Memory Controller Speed: Up to 1.8GHz with Dual Dynamic Power Management

Types of Memory Supported: Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2 8500 (DDR2-1066MHz)

HyperTransport 3.0: One 16-bit/16-bit link @ up to 3.6GHz full duplex (2.0GHz x2)

Total Processor Bandwidth: Up to 31.5 GB/s bandwidth

Packaging: Socket AM2+ 940-pin organic micro pin grid array (micro-PGA)

Fab location: AMD's Fab 36 wafer fabrication facilities in Dresden, Germany

Process Technology: 65-nanometer DSL SOI (silicon-on-insulator) technology

Approximate Transistor count: ~ 450 million (65nm)

Approximate Die Size: 285 mm2 (65nm)

Max Ambient Case Temp: 70o Celsius

Nominal Voltage: 1.05-1.25 Volts

Max TDP: 95 Watts

Let's move onto overclocking.

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is our 8750 at its stock 2.4GHz clock speed with the HT link at 1.8GHz.

 

AMD's Phenoms definitely aren't the overclockers that Intel's Core 2 Quads have been, though most Intel Quads stop at around 3-3.2GHz and are difficult to push farther. AMD's Phenom tops out around 2.8-2.9GHz with the chips they've released so far. Will one less core help push Phenom further?

 

Apparently not. Another 400Mhz overclock which isn't bad but one less core appears to not make any difference when it comes to Phenom overclocking. 2.82GHz was the farther we could reach stable giving us a 420MHz overclock which isn't bad at all but AMD will need to ramp up the clock speeds significantly to compete with Intel, something we're unlikely to see until 45nm cores are released. We bumped up the voltage to 1.35v in the BIOS but more voltage did not solve the problem with reaching higher clockspeeds with the Phenom 8750, something similar we've found with the 9x50 series.

Now let's move onto benchmarks.









 

Here's our current test system.

 

Mother Board Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe Wi-Fi
CPU AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition
Video Card Asus 9600 GT Top
Memory Corsair XMS Dominator 2GB
Hard Drive Western Digital Raptor
Case Tsunami Thermaltake
Display Samsung 20" LCD Westinghouse W4207

Our test OS was Windows Vista Home SP1 with Nvidia's 174.74 of Forceware drivers. All the latest software revisions were used in our testing.

 

For our game testing we used lower graphic settings in order to stress the processor and relieve the graphics card from being the bottleneck.

 

 

Though Crytek was promising quad core support in Crysis our testing and others prove there doesn't appear to be any quad core support at all in Crysis. Here we see the Phenom 9850 come out on top but the 8750 and 9750 are very close in their speed and the dual core 5600+ running at 2.8GHz received the same score as the Phenom 8750.

 

Unreal Tournament 3 engine is the most popular game engine on the market today and not only that supports quad core processors. Here we see the 9750 running at the same stock come out on top of the 8750 while the 5600+ which was competitive with the triple core 8750 in Crysis can't compete with it in Unreal Tournament 3 with a 21fps difference. The difference between quad and triple core processors at the same speed though resulted in only a 3fps difference.

 

3DMark 2006 is a synthetic benchmark that weighs heavily on the strenght of the processor and is very multi-threaded. The 8750 sees a 500 point drop from the 9750 but gains 600 points on the 5600+.

 

 

Let's move onto to more benchmarks.

 


 

 






 


Cinebench 10 is a multi-threaded image renderer. Here having one less core stands out more than in Unreal Tournament 3 dropping the time to render about 35 seconds.

 

Pov Ray renderer uses all cores available and we see a similar pattern we saw in Cinebench10.

 

PCMark 05 is a benchmark which tests general day to day use such as zipping, browsing the web, office programs, hard drive start up times, etc. Again it is a very multi-threaded app so one less core hurts though it is less likely to make a difference in real-world multi-tasking.

 

Valve's Map Compilation benchmark shows the time it takes to build an entire map which can be quite time exhausting for developers. Less cores rears it's head again here.

 

Valve's particle gives an overall score with the CPU's ability to render particles on screen and is very multi-threaded and should be implemented more and more in future Source revisions though current games only use two cores.

Finally let's look at power consumption.

  Phenom 9850 Black Edition Phenom 9600 Black Edition Phenom 8750 Athlon 5600+
Idle 180 154 150 120
Load 240 225 215 205

Here we see under 220W power draw with the Phenom 8750 with load power consumption.

 

 











 





 

Conclusion:

AMD's Phenom triple core processors are in a bit of an unusual posistion. The highest-end triple core we reviewed is at a good price at $195 coming in under $200 but for nearly the same price one can pick up a Phenom 9550 which runs 200MHz slower but packs four cores. Though quad core still isn't heavily supported in games yet it is going to become the norm as dual core has and it will help a lot more to have an extra core than more MHz when it comes to multi-tasking. However, the 8450 at under $150 makes a lot of sense for those looking for a processor in that price range. Intel only has dual cores under the $220 mark and definitely no quad cores under $150 so there it makes more sense giving you an extra core. Though one could make the argument a higher-clocked dual core would be better in most games currently again we believe the trend will be this coming year and especially next year towards quad core support and thus triple cores. Combined with the 780G and you have an excellent value with a machine able to handle a heavy multi-tasking load.

Overall triple core is a good way for AMD to make use of all their dies and any where one core might not be working right or able to keep up with others in clockspeed while creating a new market segment. We believe it's probably worth it to save a few more bucks and go for quad core but if you are on a tight budget it allows one to bump up to three cores from two for a very reasonable price.

Score: 91%

 





 





Last Updated on Tuesday, 22 April 2008 18:02
 

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